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Software Testing is Dead!!!

By SiliconIndia   |   Monday, 06 February 2012, 02:58 Hrs   |    62 Comments
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Bangalore: Is there a threat to the profession of software testing? Are developers becoming proactive enough to fix bugs found in Production than spend time discovering the bugs in a testing phase? Is there a new software out which is cheap & quick at fixing bugs making it nearly 'no job' for testers? Are companies on a thought process that a dedicated testing period is too expensive?
These questions pop out often when you hear someone say, "Software Testing is Dead." Alberto Savoia, Director of Engineering and Innovation Agitator from Google, is the latest one in the series of people who made this statement and during his opening keynote at Google Test Automation Conference, said "Yes, Software Testing is Dead."
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1: Actually... this article is incomplete without taking into context. Actually what Google is doing is that it is using CROWDSOURCING to test its applications... and it is advocating to all to do that... So Testing per se, is not dead, but only to Google like companies where they can use us mere mortals to their dirty work for them.
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5: Alberto Savoia, Director of Engineering and Innovation Agitator from Google is not a god to say testing is dead. Developers can never find bugs which a tester can do. And there is no software which can find bugs for developers. Alberto Savoia, might be a developer. So he is into these statments. I can find bugs in a software developed by Alberto Savoia.Can he challenge testers that we cannot fing bugs???
Posted by:Amit - 25 Feb, 2012
6: Every company / project is trying to implement Agile methodology. Yes, its faster than any other standard or traditional methodologies. Usually, agile is used when the requirements are dynamic. When the req. is specific or decided then, the better method is to adapt a short release cycles and that need not to be an Agile itself. Again, anything that is done in a hurry or fast phase chances of defects cannot be eliminated. A thorough understanding is required while choosing Agile. In Agile, a Scrum team is more pressured, and its not easy at all.
100% of quality on time and budget, this is what everyone is promising b4 starting a project. Unfortunately, this promise will be broken. This is a very old topic.. They r trying to bring a new methodology.. Let them do their job ... Nothing is dead.
Posted by:Douglas - 23 Feb, 2012
7: “Software testing is DEAD? I would say it is GROWING.

Could a Developer put his dedication, heart
Posted by:QA Thought Leaders - 13 Feb, 2012
8:
Hi
good to see many comments on this post. I think we are not able to understand the meaning of the Topic. "Testing is dead", does not mean that testing is not at all needed. In the competitive world, customers are expecting products very fast and with the agreeble quality. They are not expecting 100% quality, but 100% on time. Hence nowadays, companies start working on Agile processes and fast early feed back to cusotmers. In these processes, it is very difficult to have a separate Test cycle and test the product fully to achieve 100% quality. Rather, testing is made part of design itself. Now the question is, who will test it during the design? Is it a tester or designer. Here the debate starts and ends with a tester should do testing. As one of our friends said "code are written with a making attitude and testing is done with an breaking attitude. ", testing is definitely needed. May not be a separate test phase. Continuous design, continuous test and continuous integration... Life for tester still existis, unless there is any proven SDLC model comes in to existence.
DSRao Replied to: QA Thought Leaders - 14 Feb, 2012
9: In reality its not possible!Quality is one of the prime aspects of a software being developed...development & testing are complementary 2 each other.Moreover clients spending billions of dollars will not compromise on quality.Also testing comes with a domain specific knowledge which in most of the cases developers dosen't have.
but not the least there's no system in the world which is completely error free..so need vl always be on the upper trend.
So i thnk this discussion is totally baseless & video a real crap.
Posted by:sam - 12 Feb, 2012
10: if software testing is dead, then why conduct 1000 cycles of testing on domains like aviation and defense. Stop and then the imporatnce of testing will surface.
Posted by:tester - 08 Feb, 2012
11: Software testing is dead is like saying that software will no longer have defects. There is a problem here, the people under the machine are humans...
Posted by:Rawl - 08 Feb, 2012
12: If Testing is dead, then the Project is dead and finally the company is dead. An investor will never compromise on quality. QA Engineers has more demand in the rising and competitive job market.
Posted by:Douglas - 08 Feb, 2012
13: I have not seen the video. Being a Tester, I Believe that Company should Close the Testing Departments. This advice to to companies who really do not understand importance of Testing. This will work for company who do development as only Maintenance.
This model will be testing of Companies survival without Testing Department.
Posted by:Mukesh Bedval - 08 Feb, 2012
14: Testing is challenging job.Since time is allocated for testing is very less.can't expect quality of product if developer did test his own code.Tester must there to show his fault with sufficient evidence.So testing must exist as long as software alive
Posted by:shk - 08 Feb, 2012
15: If software testing dead what will do developer??
Who is working on software??
Does it make any sense on that statement???
I should said NO sense...
what's u say???
Posted by:Gaurav - 08 Feb, 2012
16: Automation testing is as difficult as development .I would say working on technologies like selenium .loadrunner n all is more complicated than developing a software as one hardly gets any help for those technologies,even after googling.
Posted by:Sriprakash - 08 Feb, 2012
17:
if you think selenium and loadrunners are complicated, i am wodering what would you think about assembler language coding / C codes systems with millions of lines of codes?? why dont you refer manuals which the product vendors provide rather than googling.
testisdead Replied to: Sriprakash - 10 Feb, 2012
18:
i do agree!
kanza Replied to: Sriprakash - 08 Feb, 2012
19: I totally disagree as now a days testing has different verticals. If it's not so important then why big companies like IBM built their own testing tools like Rational Rose etc... As per my point of view testing never Dead because every product based company need full STLC for their products to be healthy
Posted by:Amit Agrawal - 07 Feb, 2012
20: I disagree atleast for projects realted to banks n health care
Posted by:Tarang - 07 Feb, 2012
21: I disagree atleast for projects realted to banks n health care
Posted by:Tarang - 07 Feb, 2012
22: It is dead for simple and free software but not with proprietary ones.
Posted by:Ramiro Enriquez - 07 Feb, 2012
23:
what about the core products developed for specific business processes, which continuously requires testing and bug fixing,
does the developers will be able to fix and find new issues on there own.
i feel testing will never face any threat till the time softwares are getting developed...

such things only tries to create new ideas or innovative thoughts but will not change the mandetory things in the SDLC and STLC. cause both cycle works with hand in hand
prashant Replied to: Ramiro Enriquez - 07 Feb, 2012
24: This is bullshit video.. Developer will never think like a tester !.. One Person Cannot have Two minds. Developer Can reduce the bug count for sure based on his expertise. But he cannot look the system as out of box.
Posted by:dileep varma - 07 Feb, 2012
25:
Absolutely correct ! Some thinks finding defects or bugs is a easy job.
What happens if an end user finds a defect in a shipped product?
Douglas Replied to: dileep varma - 08 Feb, 2012
26:
I agree with dileep. It will not possible in upcomming 10 years. it will be replace by another alternative best process in upcomming days.
Hardesh Sharma Replied to: dileep varma - 07 Feb, 2012
27: May be for free software this is true. people who pay money and buy products needs a robust solution and that needs testing.
Posted by:Balamuralikrishnan Srinivasan - 07 Feb, 2012
28: Software testing is no child's play.I have been working as one for a long time now........Its not developer -tester tussle here it is all about delivering a good quality product.Things do go together when they are executed as a team....Testing is as important as development......you cant clap your with just one hand.....in a similar fashion both development and testing go hand in hand........Hence it is not fair to understimate any aspect of software development....There are years of functionality in those systems and understanding and testing them just like that is not possible and hence testing has become useless. As you known 100% testing is not possible, so if you get bug on live and its not prove that testers do nothing.software application testing is vast process and you can't thank all the scenarios.
Posted by:Murali Manohar - 07 Feb, 2012
29:
Well said Murali,.Your absolutely correct.....
suma Replied to: Murali Manohar - 12 Feb, 2012
30: No, this statement "Software Testing is Dead!!!" is not true.
As you known 100% testing is not possible, so if you get bug on live and its not prove that testers do nothing.software application testing is vast process and you can't thank all the scenarios.
A tester gives the same time and effort for an application as developers give, just think if these bugs are not captured then what will happen in live. so encourage your tester so they do their job very seriously and with smile.
Posted by:Sunita - 07 Feb, 2012
31:
Lol sunita ji...!!! First rule of any tester is not to test the systems partially. there is no question of it. But if you look back or track on how did the defect leak it would be because of one of the three factors such as cost time quality. only two of these three will be chosen by any client. I have never seen a client otping for all three factors which leads to a defect leakage. its not just becoz a tester is taking a leak a defect will also leak.
Praneeth Replied to: Sunita - 07 Feb, 2012
32:
Ya you are right.
Bhoopendra Replied to: Praneeth - 08 Feb, 2012
33: I am not sure that one developer can implement the functionality and test it and it will goes fine into production as per Client's expected Quality. Quality can come, when we allocate dedicated time for Testing. It will be good if developers become proactive enough to fix bugs.
Posted by:sudheer - 06 Feb, 2012
34: It was one of the most useless things ever Software testing can be done by kids but not development. A lot of non talented people have made riches being in software testing. It is really good that testing is coming to an end. Iam glad I was a hard core developer but did not find any recognition nor were developers sen as good guys now let technology fail and wreack havoc let us see how testers fix it.
Posted by:dennis - 06 Feb, 2012
35:
hahahhahha ! Your comment brightened up my day! Can't believe ignorant people like you exist! Start using ur brains a little bit, may be u ll be recognized :P

Tammy Replied to: dennis - 07 Feb, 2012
36:
Dennis looks like you are one frustrated developer, instead try and upgrade and excel in what ever u are doing rather than cribing on the successful testers wealth and well being, stop bieng envious about people's success irrespective what profession they belong too. You are on sad person.
DSJ Replied to: dennis - 07 Feb, 2012
37:
Dennis let's not try step into each other’s shoes.. come out of your wonderland.. gone are those days when testing was a cake walk.. The effort of both are equally important.. And if you thought 'non talented people have made riches being in software testing' then make your facts clear.. even in manual testing understanding of technology and business logic is inevitable.. don't let your personal experience be the universal truth.. if you couldn't get recognition out of development then stop blaming it on others..
John Replied to: dennis - 06 Feb, 2012
38:
I conquer with you. The testing is the best thing a software can have. Anyways these days original code is non existent and the code reuse is all that developers do. That means less work for them and they get a feeling that they have written the perfect application. It up to the testers to tell them that they are wrong and copying and pasting does not make one right.
jitu Replied to: John - 06 Feb, 2012
39:
When you see things from the sky everything seems green just get in to the depth of it one would know how difficult are things.Software testing is no child's play.I have been working as one for a long time now........Its not developer -tester tussle here it is all about delivering a good quality product.Things do go together when they are executed as a team....Testing is as important as development......you cant clap your with just one hand.....in a similar fashion both development and testing go hand in hand........Hence it is not fair to understimate any aspect of software development....
Suraj Replied to: dennis - 06 Feb, 2012
40:
I agree with Suraj.

It is like saying the COPS are good and hence we donot need lawyers.
arun Replied to: Suraj - 12 Mar, 2012
41:
Exactly !!! It is really sad to find such comments at this stage of software-oriented globe. I have served the industry as a tester for around 5 years and have witnessed and lived such scenarios which undubiously conveyed a message that a software product released without proper rigorous testing(which is in fact never achievable by the development force )is as good as as a dummy product.
Testing eradicated will result in irrevocable adverse consequences to yield nothing but despair all over.
Hope this message helps to enhance the understandibility.
Tandrima Replied to: Suraj - 08 Feb, 2012
42:
good reply
Abhishek Replied to: Suraj - 07 Feb, 2012
43:
one more nice...
great reply suraj... :)
Chetan Replied to: Suraj - 07 Feb, 2012
44:
ya... i too agree with dis.

Roopa Replied to: Chetan - 07 Feb, 2012
45:
Nice one Suraj...
Krishna Replied to: Suraj - 06 Feb, 2012
46:
Nice one Suraj...
Krishna Replied to: Suraj - 06 Feb, 2012
47:
Nice one Suraj...
Krishna Replied to: Suraj - 06 Feb, 2012
48:
Nice one Suraj...
Krishna Replied to: Suraj - 06 Feb, 2012
49:
Thanks Krishna ,Roopa,Chetan,Abhishek and Tandrima
Suraj Replied to: Krishna - 09 Feb, 2012
50: The very logic of Software Testing is based on the fact that, a developer can't find bugs in his own code.. coz code are written with a making attitude and testing is done with an breaking attitude.
If this fact didn't exist, then Software Testing wouldn't have come into existence.
Stop scaring the poor testers... and for your information cheep software meant for quick bug fixing would make cheep application which won’t be able to afford software testers.
Posted by:Testing Guru - 06 Feb, 2012
51:
well said....actually developers are not developing things properly...so we have to do some testing for that application for quality:)
Tester Replied to: Testing Guru - 06 Feb, 2012
52:
Testing and development have their own places and importance when done properly. In today's fast pace world where management does not want to invest in testers is the real cause for testing to come to an end. A tester should thoroughly understand the system before he can fulfil the role. In today's world a new tester or contractor is picked for each project and let go after the project to something else. A developer can understand the system by spending more time analysing the code whereas a tester cannot always do that. There are years of functionality in those systems and understanding and testing them just like that is not possible and hence testing has become useless. This will continue until corporates understand the importance of specific application knowledge of testers which I don't think will happen anymore with so much corporate greed now for profit
Bangalore guy Replied to: Tester - 06 Feb, 2012
53:
O common Testing CAN NEVER BE DEAD
Even the biggest companies do it Google ADobe Microsoft
It is one of theh biggest phase in SDLC
How can they claim it in such a globall community
We are the testers who bring the QUALity
Neeraj Replied to: Bangalore guy - 06 Feb, 2012
54:
watch the video before commenting like a stupid.. the top guy from big company Google himself is saying that test is dead. maybe sometime before its completely dead
bangalore guy Replied to: Neeraj - 10 Feb, 2012
55:
yes,good comment.Thanks for giving confidence. we are freshers scared lot about this.
Roopa Replied to: Neeraj - 07 Feb, 2012
56:
yes,good comment.Thanks for giving confidence. we are freshers scared lot about this.
Roopa Replied to: Neeraj - 07 Feb, 2012
57:
about 2/3 of teh amount is invested in Testing the software
devs take only 6 or 8 months to develop any application
But testing takes goes forever with new veriosn coming up in the market.....
Neeraj Replied to: Neeraj - 06 Feb, 2012
58:
this is the most stupid comment i have ever seen.. the industry standard for bits of SDLC phase efforts based on report created by meta data are
Project Management 3%, Requirements Definition 10%, Analysis 12%, Design 15%
Coding 23%, System / Integration Test 10%, Acceptance Test 6.50%, Documentation 5%, Implementation 7%, Support 8.50%, Total SDLC 100%.
if you are telling that your organisation is investing 2/3 of the time in just testing (poor organisation), i can only imagine how bad it is. no wonder the businesses want the test to be dead.
ripper Replied to: Neeraj - 10 Feb, 2012
59:
yes Testing will go forever and it will not DEAD.
Vinod S Replied to: Neeraj - 07 Feb, 2012
60:
keep dreaming else accept the world and move on... change is inevitable guys.. people who saw james bond movies ten years back never thought that those technologies are possible.. we have such devices (iphone) now.. everyone is james bond now
dddddddddddd Replied to: Vinod S - 10 Feb, 2012
61:
If software died,.. then testing died.. if software alive.. testing alive...
Mugil Replied to: Vinod S - 07 Feb, 2012
62:
Software testing can not be dead even cant be decrease, because as being a software tester i believe that developer cant test there developed application as a tester can.... Writing a test case to break the application is not so easy.......


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